WHAT WOULD CECIL WEAR?

Mod A and I have decided it’s best that I don’t co-mod anymore. The blog is still on hiatus but Mod A is looking for someone else to co-mod so she doesn’t have to run the blog alone. —Mod J

defendacevale:

whimsicalcircles:

What the actual FUCK.

The blog title is a death threat against internleland seriously what the fuck. 

We mean the Night Vale character. Who is an Intern and dies. Calm down. Is it now too insensitive to post “death threats” to fictional characters who can’t really be killed in the first place?

You’re being disingenuous and you know it.

We were in the wrong and we apologized. We do not need “defending”, especially by people who explicitly threaten POC (and try to speak over ace POC who were harmed by our actions, no less).

Mod J is ace, I am likely somewhere on the spectrum, and you do not speak for us.

Take this blog down.

- mod A

@defendacevale

Get rid of this blog. The title is a threat. Do not harass internleland. Do not harass anyone. You are not speaking to or about poc respectfully. Get rid of this blog. I do not endorse this blog, I do not endorse trying to defend me in this way, I do not endorse strangers trying to defend me. I have apologized and internleland excepted, there is no more to “defend” of my behavior. Get rid of this blog.—Mod J

Sources tell me ConsensualNightVale had the same mods as WhatWouldCecilWear.
Anonymous

astrakiseki:

orcasoup:

that would explain some things.

How about providing some sources, anon?  Because unless confirmed… it may be just rumors.

we had nothing to do with the old consensualnightvale. i submitted a couple of headcanons once; that’s it.

- mod A

internleland:

whatwouldcecilwear:

I want to apologize to internleland for my racist and violent behaviors. I’m sorry for using a violent threat so flippantly and ignoring the privilege I have as a white man to do so and get away with it. I’m sorry for ignoring how racist my actions were then and now. I’m sorry for defending my actions then and now. I’m sorry for painting myself as the victim. I’m sorry for taking so long to give a real apology. The article you linked to, as well as these comments by jiggit and nikittypaprika helped me. I’m sorry it took me this much explaining to get it. I don’t expect your forgiveness or anyone’s forgiveness, but I want to say I’m sorry. I tried not to admit that I made you feel unsafe, but I did make you feel unsafe, and I apologize for that.—Mod J

It was pointed out by multiple people that they felt like my original apology was inadequate, and I didn’t understand how at first, but after taking some time to reflect and read through the feedback we got (this helped me a lot) I think I have a better grasp. internleland, I apologize for prioritizing my indignation over your right to feel safe. I defended mod J’s racist behaviour and conveniently overlooked that both his and my privilege as white people allowed us not to give full consideration to the racial dynamic at play in the discussion. It was wrong for me to do this, and the reactions of the other people we have disappointed and alienated have made me determined to be more conscientious and self-critical in the future. Our inbox is open if you’d rather continue this discussion in private.

- mod A

apology accepted on my part

Thank you for accepting.—Mod J

Mod A and I have been talking about what would happen if I stepped down as a mod. There would be some difficulties, but the more important thing is that I not remain present in this space. Mod A and I are the only two mods. She would either have to mod alone or look for a new mod. If she modded alone the amount of posts would have to be cut down but again, it’s more important that I step down as mod if that is what is best.

For now, we have paused the queue. We are not going to post more clothes until we’ve addressed this issue and taken the proper action. We don’t want to act as though things are “business as usual”.

Also, if there are people who have pending submissions who no longer want their submission to be published, let us know, and we won’t publish it.—Mod J

These are the people who I (Mod J) blocked in November. I blocked internleland and I blocked people who had liked a post of his—an answer to the ask Mod A had sent him. If these people have tried to send us messages, I’m sorry they didn’t get through.

I unblocked internleland today just after we posted an apology. I haven’t blocked fashiondisastercecil. I don’t know how messages she’s sending me on my main or on wwcw aren’t getting through.

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—Mod J

I also never blocked fashiondisastercecil. If she has tried to contact us, it hasn’t gone through, I don’t know why.

- mod A

I want to apologize to internleland for my racist and violent behaviors. I’m sorry for using a violent threat so flippantly and ignoring the privilege I have as a white man to do so and get away with it. I’m sorry for ignoring how racist my actions were then and now. I’m sorry for defending my actions then and now. I’m sorry for painting myself as the victim. I’m sorry for taking so long to give a real apology. The article you linked to, as well as these comments by jiggit and nikittypaprika helped me. I’m sorry it took me this much explaining to get it. I don’t expect your forgiveness or anyone’s forgiveness, but I want to say I’m sorry. I tried not to admit that I made you feel unsafe, but I did make you feel unsafe, and I apologize for that.—Mod J

It was pointed out by multiple people that they felt like my original apology was inadequate, and I didn’t understand how at first, but after taking some time to reflect and read through the feedback we got (this helped me a lot) I think I have a better grasp. internleland, I apologize for prioritizing my indignation over your right to feel safe. I defended mod J’s racist behaviour and conveniently overlooked that both his and my privilege as white people allowed us not to give full consideration to the racial dynamic at play in the discussion. It was wrong for me to do this, and the reactions of the other people we have disappointed and alienated have made me determined to be more conscientious and self-critical in the future. Our inbox is open if you’d rather continue this discussion in private.

- mod A

Bluh you blocked the person you're supposed to be apologizing to (internleland) and you still fail to take into account the racial aspect of the situation. Your apology was poorly worded (far too much splainin') and slightly dismissive, you never addressed nor rectified your painting of internleland as acephobic, and Mod J has still not come forth himself to open discourse about his poor behavior. PUBLISH THIS. Do not answer privately. Be held accountable for your actions.

internleland:

whatwouldcecilwear:

This is Mod J. I want to address this in my own words. I’m paying attention to the responses internleland is giving me. His being blocked by my personal account still allows him to reblog from wwcw, so I look at his responses.

This is the post that started it:

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I’m going to post what was under the cut at the bottom of this post, under a cut, since there is a violent threat.

internleland: after reading the post you linked me to I want to apologize for not placing as much weight on the significance of poc, especially qpoc, being desexualized. After reading so much critique of the sex positivity moment for being centered on white and non-ace experiences, the hypersexualization of poc is what I had on my mind. That is not an excuse; it is up to me to keep both factors in mind. And I WILL keep both factors in mind going forward and defer to the words of qpoc where sexuality is concerned.

I want to reiterate what Mod A said: DO NOT harass internleland or any other blogger. I haven’t shown my personal url here, and I don’t want to. Thank you, internleland, for not putting up my or Mod A’s personal urls.

Under a cut here is what was in the post when you clicked through:

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The apology is for internleland and it’s his decision whether or not it’s good enough.—Mod J

i tried to contact you guys through ask about it but you still have me blocked so i’m not sure why you’re soliciting my decision when you’ve made it clear you don’t want to hear it lol but

anyway

1) just noting that the parenthetical stuff wasn’t present in that post when the initial conversation took place (though it doesn’t change much about the actual threat itself), and

2) if you can’t tell the difference between poc being hypersexualized for the white gaze and qpoc relating to a mutually healthy sexual qpoc relationship you might wanna go back to the drawing board. you’re pretty much saying you’ll cut us if we sexualize ourselves in a consensual, healthy fashion because oh no white people might get off to it!! thanks for centering our sexuality on the white gaze all over again. please take your savior complex elsewhere and stop ~rescuing~ us through unnecessarily irate threats of physical harm

apology not accepted lol what is this nonsense

Yes I still keep you blocked because I don’t want you reblogging my personal posts again like you did in November.

The parenthetical part WAS there in November. I didn’t change anything about that post. I even left #night vale in the body of the post even though I changed the posts before and after that to take it out of the body and put “#night vale spoilers -” in the tag box, so that none of those posts would be left in the search function.

But 2 is an important distinction I failed to make. I’m sorry. I’m a VERY white-passing half-white-half-Cuban guy; I’m asexual and have no experience with sex. That kind of distinction was hard for me to see, but I should have considered it to the fullest before making the post. Thank you for your patience in pointing it out. I’m sorry for using a violent threat. I’m sorry for making you feel unsafe. I’m sorry to every member of the Night Vale fandom, every qpoc for making them feel unsafe.—Mod J

I notice a load of people of color's art just disappeared off of here, nice.
Anonymous

Thaumivore asked us to take her art down (or at least the icon, if she’d rather I remove all her art I can do so). So did fashiondisastercecil, who, btw, is white.

I am turning off anon now.

- mod A